Grief or Pleasure

In chapter 13, at the beginning of the fifth paragraph, it says, "Againe, men have no pleasure, (but on the contrary and great deale of griefe) in keeping company, where there is no power able to over-awe the all. For every man looketh that his companion should value him at the same rate he sets upon himself..."

I do not see how man may have no pleasure being with each other if there is not a person ruling over them, for that is what I gather from the first part of this paragraph. I how ever can not agree with this, as will most people. Humans are very social and enjoy others company. Some people ( teenagers for example) do not like it when there is a power over them while they are with friends. They enjoy the freedom of not being restricted and doing things with their peers.

However, I do agree with the point that he makes in the end. Everyone whats to be valued by who they really are. Or at least how they think they are. But this can go to ways. One can thing they are more important than they really are, or less important. These both can be bad for you, but people seem to enjoy that, which is the point Hobbes is trying to make.

What comes with age?

In chapter 13, near the little 61 mark, Hobbes says, referring to intelligence and prudence, "I find yet a greater equality amongst men, than that of strength. For prudence, is but Experience; which equal time, equally bestows on all men, in those things they equally apply themselves to." I disagree with this. I have met many adults that have less prudence then some of my friends have. I have also met some teenagers who have less prudence than some of my 11-12 year old friends. So Hobbes can not say the prudence comes with years, because that is not always the case. Therefore, why would he say that?